Comments on: Democracy 2.0 - Because we need a new system to cope with today’s new challenges http://www.xavierdamman.be/blog/2009/03/16/democracy-20-because-we-need-a-new-system-to-cope-with-todays-new-challenges/ Madrid, palacio real Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:51:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Xavier http://www.xavierdamman.be/blog/2009/03/16/democracy-20-because-we-need-a-new-system-to-cope-with-todays-new-challenges/#comment-163571 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 06:10:36 +0000 http://www.xavierdamman.be/blog/2009/03/16/democracy-20-because-we-need-a-new-system-to-cope-with-todays-new-challenges/#comment-163571 Why so serious? Why so serious?

]]> by: @VincentLgvl http://www.xavierdamman.be/blog/2009/03/16/democracy-20-because-we-need-a-new-system-to-cope-with-todays-new-challenges/#comment-154675 Mon, 25 May 2009 11:29:12 +0000 http://www.xavierdamman.be/blog/2009/03/16/democracy-20-because-we-need-a-new-system-to-cope-with-todays-new-challenges/#comment-154675 I agree to some extent. My main considerations are: 1. On the way to Democracy 2.0, you must ensure that all voters have access to the Internet. Democracy 2.0 would never be truly democratic otherwise. 2. Should it be restricted to voters in the first place ? 3. It is very likely that participative people will consider their own area of expertise as a priority. I can foresee a lot of argues upon voting the budget. Which area of our social life should prevail over another when it comes to funding ? This is where the real political debate will occur to my opinion. 4. I wonder how the actual belgian legal system can implement the principals of Democracy 2.0. Besides regular elections, two options exist today for participative citizenship: the Referendum (which results are mandatory to elected representatives) and People Consultation (which results are NOT mandatory to elected representatives). How do we go from here to there ? 5. Democracy 2.0, as described in your post, assumes that a consensus is reached by the community everytime on every matter. We witness in real life that experts often disagree. If they do, who will settle ? In the end, the burden of making a decision stays on the representative's shoulders alone. I agree to some extent.

My main considerations are:

1. On the way to Democracy 2.0, you must ensure that all voters have access to the Internet. Democracy 2.0 would never be truly democratic otherwise.

2. Should it be restricted to voters in the first place ?

3. It is very likely that participative people will consider their own area of expertise as a priority. I can foresee a lot of argues upon voting the budget. Which area of our social life should prevail over another when it comes to funding ? This is where the real political debate will occur to my opinion.

4. I wonder how the actual belgian legal system can implement the principals of Democracy 2.0. Besides regular elections, two options exist today for participative citizenship: the Referendum (which results are mandatory to elected representatives) and People Consultation (which results are NOT mandatory to elected representatives). How do we go from here to there ?

5. Democracy 2.0, as described in your post, assumes that a consensus is reached by the community everytime on every matter. We witness in real life that experts often disagree. If they do, who will settle ? In the end, the burden of making a decision stays on the representative’s shoulders alone.

]]> by: Verkiezingen 2.0. Omdat ook ik Europa belangrijk vind « The Sausage Machine http://www.xavierdamman.be/blog/2009/03/16/democracy-20-because-we-need-a-new-system-to-cope-with-todays-new-challenges/#comment-154533 Sat, 23 May 2009 11:48:39 +0000 http://www.xavierdamman.be/blog/2009/03/16/democracy-20-because-we-need-a-new-system-to-cope-with-todays-new-challenges/#comment-154533 [...] Verkiezingen 2.0. Omdat ook ik Europa belangrijk vind Ingedeeld onder: Uncategorized — janien @ 10:09 am Tags: Campagne 2.0, discussie, Europa 2009, Europese parlementsverkiezingen, Jan Peter Balkenende, verkiezingen 2.0, web 2.0, Xavier Damman Verkiezingen 2.0: Europa 2009. Op het web op weg naar democratie 2.0: Democracy 2.0 – because we need a new system to cope with today’s new challenges … (Xavier Damman) [...] […] Verkiezingen 2.0. Omdat ook ik Europa belangrijk vind Ingedeeld onder: Uncategorized — janien @ 10:09 am Tags: Campagne 2.0, discussie, Europa 2009, Europese parlementsverkiezingen, Jan Peter Balkenende, verkiezingen 2.0, web 2.0, Xavier Damman Verkiezingen 2.0: Europa 2009. Op het web op weg naar democratie 2.0: Democracy 2.0 – because we need a new system to cope with today’s new challenges … (Xavier Damman) […]

]]> by: Josef Litobarski http://www.xavierdamman.be/blog/2009/03/16/democracy-20-because-we-need-a-new-system-to-cope-with-todays-new-challenges/#comment-147220 Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:27:44 +0000 http://www.xavierdamman.be/blog/2009/03/16/democracy-20-because-we-need-a-new-system-to-cope-with-todays-new-challenges/#comment-147220 An interesting idea - electing ministers individually by portfolio. I sometimes wonder what politics would be like without the party political system (which is what you seem to be proposing). What would happen if a government was chosen minister-by-minister through democratic elections? Would government still function? I think this may be a long-term project, though. How could change possibly be brought about? Perhaps politics should first be strengthened at the local level, through the application of web 2.0 technology. I'd love to see more politicans getting into direct contact with voters. Joe An interesting idea - electing ministers individually by portfolio.

I sometimes wonder what politics would be like without the party political system (which is what you seem to be proposing). What would happen if a government was chosen minister-by-minister through democratic elections? Would government still function?

I think this may be a long-term project, though. How could change possibly be brought about?

Perhaps politics should first be strengthened at the local level, through the application of web 2.0 technology. I’d love to see more politicans getting into direct contact with voters.

Joe

]]> by: Roald Cyberath (@roald) http://www.xavierdamman.be/blog/2009/03/16/democracy-20-because-we-need-a-new-system-to-cope-with-todays-new-challenges/#comment-143420 Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:16:27 +0000 http://www.xavierdamman.be/blog/2009/03/16/democracy-20-because-we-need-a-new-system-to-cope-with-todays-new-challenges/#comment-143420 All right, I think I get your point. The current system has many shortcomings, granted. However changing it is more complex than it seems. More interaction would be good. But does it have to be with legislative power (MEPs), or with the administration (that's more eGov) ? It depends on the issues at hand. I do not fully agree that some debates should be reserved or of concern to only those impacted. I can have opinions on the importance of education even without having kids. Or do you leave immigration policy only to immigrants ? ;-) A *representative* democracy is precisely that : you entrust MEPs to have sufficient understanding and judgement to have a sound opinion on various issues, with the help of experts (or a tribe, ok). There are many examples we can pick up from the Obama administration, especially the change.gov transition site ("Your seat at the table", etc.) All right, I think I get your point.

The current system has many shortcomings, granted.

However changing it is more complex than it seems. More interaction would be good. But does it have to be with legislative power (MEPs), or with the administration (that’s more eGov) ? It depends on the issues at hand.

I do not fully agree that some debates should be reserved or of concern to only those impacted. I can have opinions on the importance of education even without having kids. Or do you leave immigration policy only to immigrants ? ;-)

A *representative* democracy is precisely that : you entrust MEPs to have sufficient understanding and judgement to have a sound opinion on various issues, with the help of experts (or a tribe, ok).

There are many examples we can pick up from the Obama administration, especially the change.gov transition site (”Your seat at the table”, etc.)

]]> by: Christian DE NEEF http://www.xavierdamman.be/blog/2009/03/16/democracy-20-because-we-need-a-new-system-to-cope-with-todays-new-challenges/#comment-143332 Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:33:22 +0000 http://www.xavierdamman.be/blog/2009/03/16/democracy-20-because-we-need-a-new-system-to-cope-with-todays-new-challenges/#comment-143332 For MEPs to become community managers, they should engage much more closely with their electorate in the 1st place. I mean, the MEPs don't have a tribe. They have been chosen by people that don't know them. Contrary to what you're envisaging -- that people should not vote left or right -- this is still what happens, especially for European elections. The voters mostly don't know the MEPs. They just vote for the same parties that they vote for at national/regional level. It's somehow careless, lazy and traditional. Maybe we will see some change with the upcoming European elections, but I am not confident. This being said, I subscribe to your vision. The question is, how to “work” the different levels to get them engaged in the change? And that includes the MEPs as much as the voting public, which may be massively on the internet but not into Gov2.0 I'm afraid... @cdn For MEPs to become community managers, they should engage much more closely with their electorate in the 1st place. I mean, the MEPs don’t have a tribe. They have been chosen by people that don’t know them. Contrary to what you’re envisaging — that people should not vote left or right — this is still what happens, especially for European elections. The voters mostly don’t know the MEPs. They just vote for the same parties that they vote for at national/regional level. It’s somehow careless, lazy and traditional. Maybe we will see some change with the upcoming European elections, but I am not confident. This being said, I subscribe to your vision. The question is, how to “work” the different levels to get them engaged in the change? And that includes the MEPs as much as the voting public, which may be massively on the internet but not into Gov2.0 I’m afraid…

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]]> by: gfhuyyu http://www.xavierdamman.be/blog/2009/03/16/democracy-20-because-we-need-a-new-system-to-cope-with-todays-new-challenges/#comment-141095 Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:11:28 +0000 http://www.xavierdamman.be/blog/2009/03/16/democracy-20-because-we-need-a-new-system-to-cope-with-todays-new-challenges/#comment-141095 Salut, J'ai essayé d'envoyer un email sur webmaster@tribal.be et on ne m'a pas répondu .. Je viens encore d'essayer à nouveau ... J'ai perdu un mot de passe, j'essaye de le réinitialiser mais ça ne fonctionne pas .. Impossible de me connecter sur mon compte tribal ... alerte !! Merci de m'aider Cordialement, JM Salut,

J’ai essayé d’envoyer un email sur webmaster@tribal.be et on ne m’a pas répondu .. Je viens encore d’essayer à nouveau …

J’ai perdu un mot de passe, j’essaye de le réinitialiser mais ça ne fonctionne pas .. Impossible de me connecter sur mon compte tribal …

alerte !!

Merci de m’aider

Cordialement,
JM

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